Badges and education: a NITLE videoconference discussion

Mozilla's badges initiative

Today a group of educators from across North America met to discuss the Mozilla Foundation’s badges for learning initiative.  NITLE organized this impromptu conversation, using Google’s Hangout function for a videoconference platform.

What follows are my notes, abbreviated and summary in an attempt to keep up with the free-wheeling exchange:

Alex Halavais (Quinnipiac) described his work with Mozilla, including using badges in his classes, and the opinions of colleagues.  He noted that Mozilla has successfully won both mindshare and infrastructure placement, but has also stirred controversy.

Other participants, including Ed Webb (Dickinson) and Joe Murphy (Kenyon) raised questions of how badges can intersect with assessment – i.e., working with portfolio initiatives, or helping deepen existing assessment work.  Badges could refine one’s sense of what’s learned in class.

Several participants more closely associated with the Mozilla Foundation explicated the badges program.  Carla Casilli noted that a bottom-up approach suits the Mozilla perspective very well.  Badges so far cover a mix of skills, including hard and soft ones, but Mozilla is focusing on doing the plumbing, i.e., infrastructure to support them. Matt Thompson (Mozilla Drumbeat) expanded on the use of badges for “exchange”, explaining that they should enable badge-holders to exchange meaning between different organizations and entities.  Mozilla acts quickly, producing rapidly in a  “publish, then filter” mode.

Where will badges live?  Casilli and Thompson noted that the Badges Backpack idea (see wiki) was now being deemphasized in the Mozilla world.  Backpack was originally supposed to be part of the Firefox browser.  But now the architecture includes storing badge metadata information within the badge’s image file.  In other words, badge-related information is “baked in”.

More on that badges infrastructure – who would build it?  We discussed different large-scale structural issues, including the possibility of governments imposing badge structures in a top-down way, vs an alternative in classic bottom-up open source style.  The idea of a “better badge bureau” was floated.

How would badges interact with current reputation projects, such as eBay’s seller status or Amazon’s reviewer rankings?  We discussed the likelihood that some companies would resist the open badge idea, preferring to keep that information in-house.  Other entities might be more amenable to using open badges, perhaps for competitive reasons.  In that case Mozilla could serve as an intermediary or broker.

The conversation sped up from that point, so I have to identify topics rather than speakers:

  • We already have badgelike functions in education – certificates, for example, or programs that must be completed in a unitary way (writing across the curriculum).
  • There’s a key difference for schools between creating their own badges and considering those created by external authorities (imagine an MLA term paper badge).
  • Introductory classes might be the best location for badge implementation.
  • Badges could help flag achievements we associate with majors, but which aren’t clearly marked out by curriculum.
  • One problem with badges: academic institutions  inertia
  • Another problem: institutions could warp badges out of shape by too much standardization (or too little), emptying them of value or meaning.
  • Third problem: badges could increase learning’s commodification.
  • Fourth: badges could focus attention too much, discouraging a focus on the learning itself or reflection around it

We turned to the future of badges, exploring how they might unfold over time.

  • We saw a competing badges issue, competing on authorization sources.  A pecking order of badge issuers would likely emerge.  People would also want to display different badges to different audiences.
  • A different split could surface re: what badges were awarded for, skills or experience?
  • Badges’ reputation would have to build up over time, or fail to win support.
  • Successful adoption of badges could have visual impact, if Web sites became too crowded with their images.
  • ” ” ” ” ” negative value effects, if less valuable badges and/or authorities crowd out good ones.
  • Badge-issuing authorities would have to develop, running the risk of some of them behaving badly.
  • Faceted identity might support badges, letting users present different badges to different audiences.
  • Adoption could occur in the open source world, working through those application sources.

All of this conversation occurred in about 50 minutes.  Many thanks to the energetic, thoughtful, and provocative participants!

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Posted on September 27, 2011 at 5:18 pm by Bryan Alexander · Permalink
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  1. Written by Joe Murphy
    on September 27, 2011 at 8:24 pm
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    Thanks for the great Hangout, Bryan. This is definitely a form of professional development which NITLE should continue (and other organizations should start)! As usual, I’ve had a few more thoughts… one rather technical and the other philosophical

    We talked about how badge-holders would need a technical infrastructure which supports displaying various facets of their identities (a la G+ “Circles”). But I don’t feel we were as explicit about the need on the other end, for readers to have tools to sort and parse a list of someone’s badges. (We talked about the need for social infrastructure to vet badges, but not the technical needs as I recall.)

    There might be a model in the concept of “lenses” at the Connexions Open Textbook project – http://cnx.org/lenses – that approach to third-party vetting of content could serve both as a “Better Badges Bureau” and a technical interface for sifting through a person’s list of 400 badges.

    The philosophical idea gets back to the issues around credentialing in general. We know that skills, knowledge, and group status change over time. Is the idea more that a credential will always carry a date issued, and therefore it’s the user’s job to think about what it means today, as with a college diploma? Or is there a mechanism for revoking or expiring badges, as with a drivers license? (Or maintaining a particular badge contingent on other badges, as with continuing professional education requirements in some fields?)

  2. Written by Chris Lott
    on September 28, 2011 at 10:49 am
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    Thanks, Bryan! Next time I hope to be able to hang out at the hangout. I was disappointed that Alex didn’t address his intriguing comment before the hangout started: “The future of badges requires that it be *divorced* from gamification as an idea.” I’m intrigued because I can’t make sense of removing one of the two most important and significant features of badges as I understand them… and I know from his writing that Alex is a lot smarter than I am!

    I appreciate the notes, in any case, because I really don’t understand the inordinately hostile reactions to the idea…

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